Soul's immortality:
- note that the discussants assume that we have soul, and assume dualism--i.e. soul different from body, though not necessarily incorporeal;
- might be that soul is like smoke that blows away after death, or harmony of tuned instrument (i.e. not corporeal, but may disappear on death);
- so the idea to show that the soul immortal--and on the way, we get that its incorporeal, invisible, etc.;
- first step: soul existed before body (theory of learning as recollection), so soul can exist without body;
- second step: soul must be akin to what it knew before birth;
- this where the Forms come in: the 'Form' of beauty is, e.g., one of the things we knew before birth;
- the 'Form' of beauty not a physical object: it's the nature in which beautiful physical objects partake;
- this gives another way to argue for soul's independence from body, the affinity argument;
- the affinity argument: soul must be akin to what it knows, so soul akin to Forms, but Forms eternal and immaterial; so, the soul is eternal and immaterial;
- note the point here is to show the soul's immortality--the Forms are assumed;
- but also want an argument for the Forms and a better story about what they are, and why we should think there are any.
- question of how recollection of Forms works;
- analogy with other cases of reminding: can get reminded in metonymic way or mimetic way;
- e.g. two equally long sticks resemble the Form of equality, in being of the same length, but dis-resemble the Form of equality by being in other ways unequal--i.e. they're like a (mimetic) portrait of the Form: like any portrait, they get some things right, others wrong;
- clearer reading of why the 'equal' sticks also unequal: they're unequal to a third stick, despite being equal to each other; but the Form is only equal);
- this the compresence of opposites reading: things have contradictory attributes, e.g. things are good in some ways, bad in others, beautiful but not beautiful, etc.;
- Forms then are standards of judgment when we judge that something is, e.g., good or beautiful;
- but Forms play not just epistemological role but a metaphysical one: they cause beautiful things to be beautiful;
- Plato's standard of causal explanation: cause must necessarily give rise to its effect; if something else could have happened, we haven't identified a causal structure;
- e.g. the cause of tallness could not have caused any shortness;
- So the Forms are the only things that seem to meet this causal standard, since they exclude their opposites;
- But then get a query about what causes inequality: could be either a Form of inequality or a failure to resemble the Form of equality;
- Note that what we have so far entails that each Form also exemplifies itself: and this is a weird consequence (e.g. the Form of largeness is large?)
- [Note how self-exemplification follows from what we have so far: the Form of equality, unlike the equal sticks, just is equal and nothing else; i.e. it self-exemplifies.]
- Does it help to be told that the reason, e.g., Helen beautiful is that she partakes in the Form of beauty?
- Reply: Forms, as well as causes, are the objects of our knowledge;
- Why does this help? Because someone who knew the Form of beauty would be able to explain why [cp. Theaetetus?] Helen beautiful and, e.g., why she's not as beautiful as a goddess, etc., so theory of Forms, combined with theory of knowledge, can be informative;
- Reply 2: can give a clever as well as simple cause of an effect: e.g. can say that something cold because of snow (clever) or because of partaking in Form of cold (simple);
- Objection: it's true that whenever snow involved, something will be cold, but it's not true that whenever something cold, snow is the 'clever' cause (might be ice, etc.). So a worry about how far Plato can push the 'clever cause' reply.
- soul is the cause of being alive; if it is, then soul can only be alive, not dead (as with snow as cause of cold); so, soul cannot be dead, by nature; so soul immortal;
- note: this avoids the objection that even if soul can survive death, might still eventually 'wear out' after many survivals;
- note: this is an inverse of our worry, that the soul might not be distinct from the body, so that bodily death is death full-stop. Socrates' worry is that the soul, which is distinct from the body, might itself have a different death.
- the objects of knowledge;
- free from compresence of opposites;
- Forms the (proper and universal) causes of, e.g., equality and beauty; but also:
- Forms are stable and unchanging, helping solve Heraclitus' universal flux problem (with Forms, we can have universal physical flux, and still have knowledge);
- Forms explain the meanings of words.
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